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Who
is Ariel Sharon?
Interview
by Amos Oz in 1982
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The
interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz
[Sharon]:
"You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. Just
note that I don't hate Arabs. On the contrary. Personally, I am much more at
ease with them, and especially with the Bedouin, than with Jews. Those Arabs we
haven't yet spoilt are proud people, they are irrational, cruel and generous.
It's the Yids that are all twisted. In order to straighten them out you have to
first bend them sharply the other way. That, in brief, is my whole
ideology".
"Call
Israel by any name you like, call it a Judeo-Nazi state as does Leibowitz. Why
not? Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint. I don't care whether I am like
Ghadafi. I am not after the admiration of the gentiles. I don't need their love.
I don't need to be loved by Jews like you either. I have to live, and I intend
to ensure that my children will live as well. With or without the blessing of
the Pope and the other religious leaders from the New York Times. I will destroy
anyone who will raise a hand against my children, I will destroy him and his
children, with or without our famous purity of arms. I don't care if he is
Christian, Muslim, Jewish or pagan. History teaches us that he who won't kill
will be killed by others. That is an iron law".
"Even
if you'll prove to me by mathematical means that the present war in Lebanon is a
dirty immoral war, I don't care. Moreover, even if you will prove to me that we
have not achieved and will not achieve any of our aims in Lebanon, that we will
neither create a friendly regime in Lebanon nor destroy the Syrians or even the
PLO, even then I don't care. It was still worth it. Even if Galilee is shelled
again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another
war, kill and destroy more and more, until they will have had enough. And do you
know why it is all worth it? Because it seems that this war has made us more
unpopular among the so-called civilised world".
"We'll
hear no more of that nonsense about the unique Jewish morality, the moral
lessons of the holocaust or about the Jews who were supposed to have emerged
from the gas chambers pure and virtuous. No more of that. The destruction of Eyn
Hilwe (and it's a pity we did not wipe out that hornet's nest completely!), the
healthy bombardment of Beirut and that tiny massacre (can you call 500 Arabs a
massacre?) in their camps which we should have committed with our own delicate
hands rather than let the Phalangists do it, all these good deeds finally killed
the bullshit talk about a unique people and of being a light upon the nations.
No more uniqueness and no more sweetness and light. Good riddance."
"I
personally don't want to be any better than Khomeini or Brezhnev or Ghadafi or
Assad or Mrs. Thatcher, or even Harry Truman who killed half a million Japanese
with two fine bombs. I only want to be smarter than they are, quicker and more
efficient, not better or more beautiful than they are. Tell me, do the baddies
of this world have a bad time? If anyone tries to touch them, the evil men cut
his hands and legs off. They hunt and catch whatever they feel like eating. They
don't suffer from indigestion and are not punished by Heaven. I want Israel to
join that club. Maybe the world will then at last begin to fear me instead of
feeling sorry for me. Maybe they will start to tremble, to fear my madness
instead of admiring my nobility. Thank god for that. Let them tremble, let them
call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous
to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children
is murdered - just one! That we might go wild and burn all the oil fields in the
Middle East! If anything would happen to your child, God forbid, you would talk
like I do. Let them be aware in Washington, Moscow, Damascus and China that if
one of our ambassadors is shot, or even a consul or the most junior embassy
official, we might start World War Three just like that!"
......We
are talking while sitting on the balcony of the pretty country house belonging
to C. which is situated in a prosperous Moshav. To the west we see a burning
sunset and there is a scent of fruit trees in the air. We are being served iced
coffee in tall glasses. C. is about fifty years old. He is a man well known for
his (military) actions. He is a strong, heavy figure wearing shorts but no
shirt. His body is tanned a metallic bronze shade, the colour of a blond man
living in the sun. He puts his hairy legs on the table and his hands on the
chair. There is a scar on his neck. His eyes wander over his plantations. He
spells out his ideology in a voice made hoarse by too much smoking:
"Let
me tell me [sic] what is the most important thing, the sweetest fruit of the war
in Lebanon: It is that now they don't just hate Israel. Thanks to us, they now
also hate all those Feinschmecker Jews in Paris, London, New York, Frankfurt and
Montreal, in all their holes. At last they hate all these nice Yids, who say
they are different from us, that they are not Israeli thugs, that they are
different Jews, clean and decent. Just like the assimilated Jew in Vienna and
Berlin begged the anti-Semite not to confuse him with the screaming, stinking
Ostjude, who had smuggled himself into that cultural environment out of the
dirty ghettos of Ukraine and Poland. It won't help them, those clean Yids, just
as it did not help them in Vienna and Berlin. Let them shout that they condemn
Israel, that they are all right, that they did not want and don't want to hurt a
fly, that they always prefer being slaughtered to fighting, that they have taken
it upon themselves to teach the gentiles how to be good Christians by always
turning the other cheek. It won't do them any good. Now they are getting it
there because of us, and I am telling you, it is a pleasure to watch."
"They
are the same Yids who persuaded the gentiles to capitulate to the bastards in
Vietnam, to give it in to Khomeini, to Brezhnev, to feel sorry for Sheikh Yamani
because of his tough childhood, to make love not war. Or rather, to do neither,
and instead write a thesis on love and war. We are through with all that. The
Yid has been rejected, not only did he crucify Jesus, but he also crucified
Arafat in Sabra and Shatila. They are being identified with us and that's a good
thing! Their cemeteries are being desecrated, their synagogues are set on fire,
all their old nicknames are being revived, they are being expelled from the best
clubs, people shoot into their ethnic restaurants murdering small children,
forcing them to remove any sign showing them to be Jews, forcing them to move
and change their profession.
"Soon
their palaces will be smeared with the slogan: Yids, go to Palestine! And you
know what? They will go to Palestine because they will have no other choice! All
this is a bonus we received from the Lebanese war. Tell me, wasn't it worth it?
"Soon we will hit on good times. The Jews will start arriving, the Israelis
will stop emigrating and those who already emigrated will return. Those who had
chosen assimilation will finally understand that it won't help them to try and
be the conscience of the world. The 'conscience of the world' will have to
understand through its arse what it could not get into its head. The gentiles
have always felt sick of the Yids and their conscience, and now the Yids will
have only one option: to come home, all of them, fast, to install thick steel
doors, to build a strong fence, to have submachine guns positioned at every
corner of their fence here and to fight like devils against anyone who dares to
make a sound in this region. And if anyone even raises his hand against us we'll
take away half his land and burn the other half, including the oil. We might use
nuclear arms. We'll go on until he no longer feels like it..."
"...You
probably want to know whether I am not afraid of the masses of Yids coming here
to escape anti-semitism smearing us with their olive oil until we go all soft
like them. Listen, history is funny in that way, there is a dialectic here,
irony. Who was it who expanded the state of Israel almost up the boundaries of
the kingdom of King David? Who expanded the state until it covered the area from
Mount Hermon to Raz Muhammad? Levi Eshkol. Of all people, it was that follower
of Gordon, that softie, that old woman. Who, on the other hand, is about to push
us back into the walls of the ghetto? Who gave up all of Sinai in order to
retain a civilised image? Beitar's governor in Poland, that proud man Menahem
Begin. So you can never tell. I only know one thing for sure: as long as you are
fighting for your life all is permitted, even to drive out all the Arabs from
the West Bank, everything."
"Leibowitz
is right, we are Judeo-Nazis, and why not? Listen, a people that gave itself up
to be slaughtered, a people that let soap to be made of its children and lamp
shades from the skin of its women is a worse criminal than its murderers. Worse
than the Nazis...If your nice civilised parents had come here in time instead of
writing books about the love for humanity and singing Hear O Israel on the way
to the gas chambers, now don't be shocked, if they instead had killed six
million Arabs here or even one million, what would have happened? Sure, two or
three nasty pages would have been written in the history books, we would have
been called all sorts of names, but we could be here today as a people of 25
million!"
"Even
today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many
Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone
hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that
they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two
synagogues here and there, I don't care. And I don't mind if after the job is
done you put me in front of a Nuremberg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me
if you want, as a war criminal. Then you can spruce up your Jewish conscience
and enter the respectable club of civilised nations, nations that are large and
healthy. What you lot don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not
finished yet, far from it. True, it could have been finished in 1948, but you
interfered, you stopped it. And all this because of the Jewishness in your
souls, because of your Diaspora mentality. For the Jews don't grasp things
quickly. If you open your eyes and look around the world you will see that
darkness is falling again. And we know what happens to a Jew who stays out in
the dark. So I am glad that this small war in Lebanon frightened the Yids. Let
them be afraid, let them suffer. They should hurry home before it gets really
dark. So I am an anti-Semite? Fine. So don't quote me, quote Lilienblum instead
[an early Russian Zionist - ed.]. There is no need to quote an anti-Semite.
Quote Lilienblum, and he is definitely not an anti-Semite, there is even a
street in Tel Aviv named after him". (C. quotes from a small notebook that
was lying on his table when I arrived:)
'Is
all that is happening not a clear sign that our forefathers and
ourselves...wanted and still want to be disgraced? That we enjoy living like
gypsies.' That's Lilienblum. Not me. Believe me. I went through the Zionist
literature, I can prove what I say".
"And
you can write that I am disgrace to humanity, I don't mind, on the contrary.
Let's make a deal: I will do all I can to expel the Arabs from here, I will do
all I can to increase anti-semitism, and you will write poems and essays about
the misery of the Arabs and be prepared to absorb the Yids I will force to flee
to this country and teach them to be a light unto the gentiles. How about
it?"
It
was there that I stopped C.'s monologue for a moment and expressed the thought
passing through my mind, perhaps more for myself than for my host. Was it
possible that Hitler had not only hurt the Jews but also poisoned their minds?
Had that poison sunk in and was still active? But not even that idea could cause
C. to protest or raise his voice. After all, he said to have never shouted under
stress, even during the famous operations his name is associated with.
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Note: NB from Genie: Note too that whereas Amos Oz was
once a supporter of Palestinian rights for many years he now supports Sharon's
policies!!! ....One wonders how it is possible that Oz could do such an about-face and
now supports Sharon after doing this interview in 1982 and apparently being as shocked
as I was to read these hate-filled words. Maybe he has Alzheimer's and has forgotten?
Preliminary
remark par Sami Aldeeb, doctor of laws
Swiss,
Christian of Palestinian origin
e-mail:
aldeeb@gmx.fr
homepage:
http://go.to/samipage
The
Middle East is living a nightmare, notably because of a man of Russian origin
who became Prime Minister of Israel: Ariel Sharon. What is the profound thought
of this man? This is what Amos Oz, an Israeli writer, help us to discover
through an interview of Ariel Sharon published by the Israeli daily Davar in
December 17, 1982.
Amos
Oz reproduced this interview, with others, in his book in Hebrew, 1982: Amos Oz:
Poh va-sham be-Erets-Yisra'el bi-setav, 1982, republished by Am Oved, Tel-Aviv,
1986. The interview is on pp. 70-82. Amos Oz does not mention the name of
Sharon, but uses the abbreviation Z. The facts indicated by Amos Oz clearly
confirm that the person interviewed is Ariel Sharon.
This
book has been published in French: Amos Oz: Les voix d'Israël, translated by
Guy Seniak, Calmann-Lévy, Paris, 1983. The interview is on pages 79-91. Here
again, Amos Oz does not mention the name of Sharon, but uses the abbreviation T.
A French version is also produced in: Letter no 2 of
FAITS
ET DOCUMENTS, 3 September 2001:
http://www.argent.fr/fetd2.htm.
This interview was transmitted by Genie Trone - etrone@webtv.net
-, member of a discussion group on Internet called Together, founded by the
Israeli journalist Israel Shamir. In the introduction, it is said that the
person interviewed is certainly Ariel Sharon.
The
same book has been published in English: Amos Oz: In the Land of Israel,
translated by Maurie Goldberg-Bartura. 1st Vintage Books Edition. New York:
Vintage Books, 1984. Here again, Amos Oz does not mention the name of Sharon,
but uses the abbreviation C.
I
produce here the interview as published by:
http://www.counterpunch.org/pipermail/counterpunch-list/2001-September/013054.html
It
is indicated that the
man referred to as C. is Sharon. The interview can be also found in:
http://www.Islamicparty.com/commonsense/33sharon.htm
and
in
http://www.dubaiphotomedia.com/english/voice/interviews/sharonoz.PDF
I
invite the readers to distribute this text worldwide. It may help opening the
eyes of many people and save innocent lives.
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